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\"negative<\/a>This week we have had negative power prices for the second? time in the UK.\u00a0 This has been long predicted since the same thing happens in Germany due to vast solar penetration.\u00a0 Now the UK is catching up.\u00a0 Negative power prices mean the generators are paying someone to take the electricity, not being paid for it. \u00a0 At least some commentators think this is unlikely to be a major problem.\u00a0\u00a0 However given high solar power installation (higher than thought) and with still expanding offshore wind capacity then this could be a bigger problem than has been believed until know.\u00a0 At least in summer.<\/p>\n

The solutions are increased energy storage and inter-connectors.\u00a0 The use of inter-connectors assumes of course that wind and solar production is not as high at the other end.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There is another solution in which inverters can be “clipped” limiting their output when grid voltages reach certain levels.\u00a0 However, this is unlikely to go down too well with small generators it would also require a major effort to go round and reprogramme the inverters.\u00a0 (I don’t know whether its possible to do this by tweaking smart meters and avoiding the inverters)?\u00a0 Simply storing the electricity using batteries until after dark seems the best solution but is going to require some form of economics not really present at the moment to make it worthwhile.<\/p>\n

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Neil<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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